Notice Board

The National Archives are planning to make the BT 395 database available on DocumentsOnline during the next few weeks.
This contains records of WW2 Medals claimed and issued to Merchant Seamen from 1946 to 2002.
Each entry gives details of the seaman's name and the medals, ribbons and clasps issued to him,
together with a reference to the medal papers file held by the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen in Cardiff.
Usually, his discharge book number and date and place of birth are listed too.
You can search the database of over 100,000 merchant seamen at: http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Please note that DocumentsOnline images can be viewed free of charge at
The National Archives and at the FRC as part of a continuing pilot project.

Origins Network News: November 30, 2004
We are please to announce that the following new collections have been added to British and Irish Origins:

Over 24,500 additional records are now exclusively available to Origins Network subscribers.
For Irish Origins subscribers, we've added an index to Militia Attestation Papers for recruits to the Royal Garrison Artillery
in Ireland (present day Royal Artillery) and British Origins subscribers can access the Papers for The Essex Regiment.
The Militia Attestation Papers are a very fruitful data source for both Irish and British genealogy,
with information such as name, age, birthplace, employer, occupation, marital status, statement of service, next of kin,
and more. Copies of the original documents are also available for postal ordering
To preview and see more information about this collection,
please visit http://www.originsnetwork.com/signup-info.aspx

*The Indexes to Militia Records were created by Jennifer Edmonds,
and are made available on The Origins Network with her permission.

We are very happy to announce a new Image Gallery for Irish Origins,
with an introductory 6 collections of images available to Irish Origins and Origins Total Access subscribers.
The collections include rare vintage photos, maps and other publications from Ireland of interest to the family researcher.
Images and descriptions of Ireland prior to the 20th century are very scarce,
and these collections offer a rare glimpse of daily life throughout the country.

Initial gallery offerings include Dublin City 1847 Ordnance Survey Town Plans,
A Little Tour of Ireland (1859), Album of Ireland (late 19th century),
Pictorial Descriptions of Great Britain and Ireland (1846) and the Illustrated Guide to Ireland.
For nformation about the new Gallery, please visit http://www.originsnetwork.com/signup-info.aspx

A British Origins Image Gallery will be coming soon, check your email for announcements
or visit our What's New page regularly: http://www.originsnetwork.com/news.aspx

The Royal Geographical Society
entered a new phase in summer 2004 when it opened up its archives to the public for the first time in its 174 year history.
Funded by a H L F grant, the Society's new resources include a reading room, display area and searchable online catalogue.
Our archives have much to offer those interested in genealogy and history.
The archives consists of
*         Over 1 million maps dating from the 15^th Century
*         More than 150,000 bound volumes dating back to the 15th Century
*         500,000 images in the Picture Library that date from the 1860's onwards
*         Various illustrations, paintings and artifacts

Please do pass this to individuals and e-networks that you feel may find these unique resources of interest and benefit.
It would be appreciated if you are able to include information about our resources in newsletters/ journals
(web based or paper, where relevant and available)
or to link our site www.rgs.org http://www.rgs.org/ to yours where appropriate.

Please do contact me if you require further information about our archives and services.
Projects Officer, Royal Geographical Society with IBG
1, Kensington Gore.
London SW7 2AR
Tel: +44(0)20 7591 3052
Fax: +44(0)20 7591 3001
http://www.rgs.org/

Quite a number of famous internees at Bunhill Fields London.
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/cj.tolley/nch-bunhill.htm
Nearest tube station: Old Street.
The Honourable Artillery Company also shares Bunhill Fields.
Margaret and I visited Bunhill Fields in 1998 then walked to Liverpool Street station a mile away

The best place to try for Old Newspapers is The British Library at
Collingdale Ave, North London sometimes just referred to as Collingdale Archives
http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html
They have the most comprehensive and best quality collection of old newspapers in the UK.

* Inheritance Dispute Index, over 26,000 records: 1574-1714
* Probate Records, over 35,000 records
available to British Origins subscribers! (www.britishorigins.com)

Inheritance Dispute Index This database, compiled by *Peter Coldham, makes available for the first time,
and exclusively on British Origins, a comprehensive index to over 26,000 lawsuits instituted in the
Chancery Court of England relating to inheritance of money or real estate.

The Index to Inheritance Disputes identifies whose estate the case is concerned with, where that person lived,
the parties to the dispute, the date the case started, and The National Archives (TNA) reference(s) to the original documents.
The index covers the wills, bequests, grants of administration, descent of property,
identity claims and other testamentary disputes tried in the Chancery Court in London.
These cases typically involved several members of the same family so are of particular value to family historians.
For more information, please visit www.originsnetwork.com to sign up or login to your British Origins .
Compiled and made available exclusively to British Origins by Peter Coldham.

The Borthwick Institute for Archives, York; Probate Records (over 35,000 records)
The Borthwick Institute's archive of probate records (wills, inventories and associated records)
is the largest in England outside London and their indexes will be made available exclusively to British Origins subscribers.
The first two of these indexes are now online.
Information available in the records includes;
testators full name, occupation, places associated with person, and document type
please see the information pages on British Origins for full details www.britishorigins.com

York Medieval Probate Index 1267-1500
This index covers over 10,000 wills proved in the Prerogative & Exchequer Courts of York in the period 1267 to 1500.
Wills are one of the most important sources for the family historian,
and the originals of all the wills indexed here are held at the Borthwick Institute for Archives.
Copies of these wills can be ordered online, via the index.

York Peculiars Probate Index 1383-1883
This index, accessible only via British Origins, covers over 25,000 wills proved in the fifty four peculiar courts of the
Province of York in the five-hundred year period from 1383 to 1883.
The originals of all the wills indexed here are again held at the Borthwick Institute for Archives.
Copies of these wills can be ordered online, via the indexes.

We are pleased to announce that a full transcription and original images of the 1861 census are now available online at www.1837online.com.
The way we have scanned, transcribed and indexed the 1861 census will provide you with new and advanced searching techniques.
One of the highlights is that when you search for an individual, you will also be able to search simultaneously for another
person who lived in the same household, simply by entering their name into the search criteria.
This should help you locate your ancestors more quickly and easily than in any other census online.

The census information for London, Kent, Middlesex and Surrey
is the first to be made available and you can start searching these records now.
Over the coming few months, we will launch further data, county by county,
and we will notify you each time a new set is ready.
The next counties will be: Essex, Lancashire, Yorkshire & Worcestershire

December 2004
The Public Record Office of Victoria www.prov.vic.gov.au has just added
Outward Passengers to Interstate,
UK and Foreign Ports 1852-1856 to their online database.
Very handy if your ancestors made that voyage to and from England and elsewhere.
Direct link is http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/online.htm

Here is an amazing archive of WW1 Personnel material, which hitherto I have never seen listed as a source for research.
For years I have been trying to locate the admission and discharge records of a particular Cottage Hospital in the 1930's.
Two weeks ago, I discovered that they were located at The Gillies Archives of plastic surgery at Queen Mary's Hospital Sidcup, UK.

Make an appointment to view the records that you are seeking but to my amazement I discovered the main contents of the archives
were the case notes of military personnel who suffered facial injuries during WW1. I mentioned that I had a member of my family
who had a war wound to his jaw and within seconds of me giving his name,
his medical records were produced with details of his age, rank, regiment, date of wound and the battle,
together with the dates and nature of his operations.

To my astonishment, I was then informed that they had further information on my relative,
in as much that whilst he was in the hospital for treatment he had learned embroidery and they showed me a
photograph of his handiwork, which was embroidery of his regimental cap badge and colours.

They have thousands of photographs of their WW1 patients, many taken before they were wounded,
but mostly of their wounds and the result after treatment.
The archivist is keen to obtain photographs of ex-patients after they had settled back into civilian life.
Altogether the archives contain over 2500 records of UK, Australian and New Zealand personnel.
Most of the case notes are in their original folders and relate mostly to soldiers, with a small number of Navy and
Flying Corps personnel, whom had suffered burns. The records include rank, number, regiment and date of wounding so that
the action in which they were wounded can often be identified. I am informed that
The Gillies and Macalister Archives are probably the most important and complete collection of facial surgery records of their age
in the world and they are available to researchers by application to the Curator, details of which are on the following website: - http://website.lineone.net/~andrewbamji/
I hope this information may of use to some WW1 researchers who are Currently unaware of this research source.
This interesting item was sent in by a friend and is not by Peter Joslin.

This site is useful to those with connections in Hertfordshire
http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/

2005 saw the publication of the second book by Arthur William JOSCELYNE 1903 - 1993
Thanks to his much loved only daughter Clare

In 1909 --- when Arthur Joscelyne was six -- his father emptied the family savings from the jug on the mantelpiece
to lease 200 yards of foreshore on the north bank of the River Thames. Arthur helped run the family beach for 20 years.
In his 80th year he recorded his remarkable early life in two manuscripts.
The first recalled the history of the family's private patch of sand and was published as Joscelyne's Beach
The second resurrected the colourful personalities he encountered in his youth and was kept separate
for fear of causing embarrassment. It is published here as Joscelyne's Tales.
In both books, Arthur's boyhood reminiscences vividly bring to life a world long disappeared.
The tides, the gulls and the dinghies set the scene for a cast of characters that will never be forgotten.
PUBLISHED BY DESERT ISLAND BOOKS

*1841 England and Wales Census England's First Census -- Available for the first time exclusively on British Origins!

Over 1 million names from the 1841 Census are now available for searching on
The Origins Network covering the following counties: Cambridgeshire, Devon and Gloucestershire (includes Bristol)
These are exciting times for genealogists and family historians.
Hot on the heels of the 1861 census, the earliest name-inclusive census of England is now available on British Origins at http://www.britishorigins.com
English genealogy researchers who had previously to scroll through miles of microfilm can now, with the click of a mouse,
take their family trees back another couple of generations. People are becoming more and more interested in how their ancestors
lived and what they did, what the social conditions were like and are increasingly aware that they need to look beyond birth,
marriage and death records. Census records don't just allow you to put family units together with parents, children,
and other relatives but identify servants, and give occupations.
So you get a picture of peoples lives from their occupations and the type and number of servants, e.g. personal maid,
housemaid, upper floor maid, cook, groom. Rat catchers and lamplighters are in stark contrast to the professions of today.
For more information visit www.originsnetwork.com

* Apprentices of Great Britain 1710- 1744
Over 350,000 apprentice records from all over Great Britain (about 20% are Scottish)
are now available for searching exclusively on British Origins.
They are of exceptional value to the family history researcher, containing the name of the apprentice,
in most cases the name of the apprentices parent or guardian (usually the father, though sometimes the mother,
if the father was dead), the place the apprentice came from, his fathers trade, the name of the master to whom he was indentured,
the masters trade, the place where the master lived, and the value of the premium paid to the master for taking on the apprentice.
To preview and see more information about this and other English genealogy collections, please visit http://www.britishorigins.com/signup-info.aspx and select "more info" next to British Origins

* British Origins: Essex and Suffolk counties added to the 1841 England and Wales Census

Over 650,000 additional 1841 census records can now be searched on British Origins from the counties of Suffolk and Essex.
The census is organised by property and household's within that property.
The census records are searchable by name, age, birth place, parish and county.
The index records include the source record references, so that users with access to CDs of the original census records can use
The Origins Network census index alongside these CDs.
For full information about British Origins and details of how to sign up or change your subscription,
visit: http://www.britishorigins.com to sign up and access these records

*Irish Origins: William Smith O'Brien Petition 1848-49
An important historical resource, the William Smith O'Brien Petition .
is now available exclusively to Irish Origins and Origins Total Access subscribers
For the family history researcher the 80,000 plus William Smith O'Brien Petition records are essentially a census substitute:
they give the names of people present at a particular place and time. Addresses are often given, and sometimes occupations.
The petition was generated between October 1848 and May 1849, so during the Famine years in Ireland.
These records complement those of the Griffith's Valuation, conducted between 1847 and 1864.
Where a petitioner signatory was a head of household you may find that person's name in Griffith's Valuation .
Users can also select to display an image of the petition itself from each area where it was signed (not including all signatures).
For full information about the William Smith O'Brien Petition and about O'Brien himself,
or to signup and access these and other Irish genealogy records please visit http://www.irishorigins.com

* Featured Origins Network Article:
So You Didn't Find a London Burial. By Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA Scot

The British Origins description of the London Burials database includes an intriguing statement from Percival Boyd,
the creator of the original paper index "if you find what you want, well and good; if you don't you have searched nothing"
On the face of it this appears to be someone highlighting the shortcomings of his own work and suggesting that nothing found
puts you back at the start. I think otherwise; you have covered a great deal using this index,
but its full value lies in understanding what the database contains.

Without understanding exactly the make-up of an index or database,
you may reach one of two false conclusions about your search:
a record does not contain references to your ancestor (when in fact it does); or,
the search within that record class is complete (when in fact it is not).
A negative result in any index is only a beginning.
If you have not already done so this is the time to collect details about the index,
or indexes, consulted and to make plans for the next steps.

Boyd's London Burials
is an excellent example of the importance of understanding what you have searched.
You may be lulled into a false sense of security because it is large and includes many London churches
over a long period of time. On the other hand, you must remain cautious because the index is not comprehensive;
250,000 entries are spread over 400 years (a fraction of those who died).
On the positive side, the ratio improves when you consider the index is for male burials only.
Considered church by church, the index is a mixed bag.
The detailed list of contents in the British Origins information indicates some churches were not indexed,
some have a small sample of entries and some have 10,000 or more.

Society of Genealogists: www.sog.org.uk
Genuki (check the London, Middlesex, Surrey and Kent sections): www.genuki.org.uk
Federation of Family History Societies (for links to 2 excellent alternative resources,
Family History Online and to the National Burial Index sold on CD-ROM): www.ffhs.org.uk
Family Search (to check on microfilm copies of London church records): www.familysearch.org

You'll be pleased to know that we have added eleven more counties to our 1861 census records.
This amounts to a further 6.9 million records. The counties that are now available for you to search are:
Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Cambridgeshire, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent,
Lancashire, Leicestershire, London, Middlesex, Shropshire,
Staffordshire, Surrey, Worcestershire, Yorkshire

We have produced the 1861 census under the careful guidance of key British genealogists,
enabling us to give you a high quality census. Features of our 1861 census include:

When searching for an individual, you can also search simultaneously for another person who lived in the same household,
simply by entering their name into the search criteria.
This is a unique feature of our 1861 census and will help you locate your ancestors more quickly and
easily than in any other census online.

There is a person search and an address search facility.
With both facilities, there is an option to do a basic search or an advanced search.

Every piece of information on the 1861 census has been transcribed,
enabling you to search on more fields than any other 1861 census.

Our search facility also aims to be as flexible as possible by allowing you to include
wildcards at the beginning and end of words; use keywords in some of the search fields;
search variants for forenames and surnames.
We have also standardised place names so that you can still find places that were initially miss-spelt.

* Featured Origins Network Article:
Irish Internet Highways and Byways By Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA Scot

Over 400,000 names from
Norfolk have just been added to the 1841 England and Wales Census on British Origins
bringing the total number of names on the Census to 2 million.

Counties available at present include:
Cambridgeshire, Devon, Essex, Gloucestershire, Norfolk and Suffolk.
All the other counties for the 1841 Census will be added regularly over the course of 2005.
Cambridge and Devon additional records uploaded to 1841 England and Wales Census
The counties of Cambridgeshire and Devon have now been completed after several missing records have been retrieved
and added to the 1841 Census on British Origins.
For example, users searching for ancestors in the parish of Ilfracombe,
Devon which was originally unavailable will now be able to find these records in the 1841 data.

We are pleased to announce that we have launched the data for
Cheshire, Durham and Warwickshire to our existing 1861 census records on
http://www.1837online.com
The counties that are now available are:
Bedfordshire Berkshire Cambridgeshire Cheshire Cornwall Devon Dorset Durham Essex Hertfordshire Kent
Lancashire Leicestershire London Middlesex Shropshire Staffordshire Surrey Warwickshire Worcestershire Yorkshire
We will continue to update you each time a new county is ready.

Peter; Please will you consider a link to
The Parish Chest from your web site. (DONE)
I am sure your visitors (and yourself) will find it interesting.
Kindest Regards. Pam Drake
UK & EU customers do not pay VAT at
The Parish Chest
http://www.parishchest.com
The Premier Online Genealogical Fair where our customers come first.
Open twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, fifty two weeks of the year.
No more crowds and sore aching feet. Shop in complete comfort without ever leaving your armchair.

Origins Network News July 2005
Additional Census Counties plus a unique government publication on the Employment of Children in 1842.

*British Origins: 3 new counties added to 1841 England and Wales Census
Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Somerset
Over 900,000 additional names are now available for searching in the 1841 England and Wales Census on British Origins
from the counties of Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Somerset.
Images of the original census records are also available online.

You'll be pleased to know that we have now added the data for
Carmarthenshire, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire, Monmouthshire, Northamptonshire and Wiltshire
to our existing 1861 census records on http://www.1837online.com

We are pleased to tell you that you can now search the
COMPLETE 1861 census on 1837online.com
as we have just added the final ten counties/locations.
Finally, if you are interested in tracing your naval ancestors you can also search the 1861 census records titled:
Shipping at Sea
Royal Navy at Sea
British Ships at Home

The National Archives advised us last Friday evening that FriendsReunited had bought the contract for the
1901 census service from QinetiQ (though we would comment that the service may be provided
via the sister site GenesReunited, since this seems more appropriate).

The Message from TNA was as follows: <quote>
This is to advise you that QinetiQ (operators of our popular 1901 census service) have sold the contract this afternoon to
FriendsReunited. We were not party to the negotiations but our approval was necessary.
We sought and obtained assurances about the standard of customer service FriendsReunited will offer and believe
that it is a positive development for 1901 customers. Customers will not notice any difference in the way the service operates.

A press release will be issued by the two parties on Monday and we will publish further details on our website then.
Should members of the public have any questions about the sale, they should address them to
QinetiQ or FriendsReunited.
<unquote> We were unable to advise you sooner because it was stipulated that the news was "Embargoed until 22nd August".
However, the press release appeared on the QinetiQ website on Sunday 21st August and can be read at <quote> www.qinetiq.com/home/newsroom/news_releases_homepage/

In an effort to provide the best quality 1861 census possible,
we have uploaded new high quality census images for you to view.
The existing census images are still available on 1837online;
to download a photo quality image, you simply need to click on the images marked
'High Quality' once you have completed a census search. As the photo quality images are larger files,
they take a few more seconds to download - however, it's well worth it for those pages where the enumerator's
handwriting is harder to read. There is no extra charge to view the high quality image,
if you also look at a standard image in the same research session.

A new look for 1837online.com
1837online.com now has a new home page!
We've made the front page clearer and easier to use for both new and existing customers,
as well as providing some enhancements to our registration/sign-in process:
Free and quick search of our records
By clicking on any one of the four new blue dataset buttons on the home page,
new users can now search our family history records without having to register first.

Improved sign-in procedure
We have also improved the sign-in procedure for registered users.
This will enable you to access your account more quickly and to set a new password
should you forget your registration details. We hope you'll like these changes

Vouchers are now available
In response to customer feedback, we have also launched a voucher system, providing you with not only an
additional method of payment to view our records,
but also the opportunity to buy 1837online.com vouchers as presents for your friends and family.
Vouchers will be available in libraries, archives and family history societies up and down the country.
Click on the vouchers link on the home page for more information.

Overseas records
We recently attended the National Family History Fair in Newcastle
where it was great to chat with those of you who attended.
Many of you asked us about tracing your ancestors overseas,
so we thought we'd remind you about the overseas records that we have on 1837online.com.
The overseas records provide details of births, marriages and deaths of British citizens that have taken
place abroad since the late 18th century. The records are made up of three main types;
consular records, army records and other records
and include the following data ranging from as far back as 1761 and up to 1994.
Natal and South African Forces deaths 1899-1902
WW1 marriages (behind British Lines) and deaths
WW2 deaths
WW2 deaths Indian Services
Consular & UK High Commission births, marriages and deaths
Army births, marriages and deaths
Service Department marriages and deaths
Regimental Birth Indices
Chaplains' births, marriages and deaths
Air births
Air deaths and missing persons
Marine births and deaths
Ionian Islands births, marriages and deaths

October 2005 Origins Network News:
2 Additional Counties Available on British Origins on the 1841 and 1871 England and Wales Censuses
Over 150,000 records from Glamorgan are now available for searching on the 1841 England and Wales Census
on British Origins www.britishorigins.com.
This brings the total number of counties on the 1841 census to nineteen.
These being: Cambridgeshire, Cornwall, Derbyshire, Devon, Dorset, Essex, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire
(includes Bristol), Herefordshire, Lincolnshire, Monmouthshire, Norfolk, Nottinghamshire, Somerset,
Staffordshire, Suffolk, Warwickshire, Wiltshire and Worcestershire.
In addition, we have uploaded over 600,000 names from the county of
Devon to the 1871 Census also available on British Origins.
The following counties are now available on the 1871 Census:
Glamorgan, Devon, London-Kent, London-Middlesex, Middlesex (ex. metro),
London-Surrey, Surrey (ex. metro) and Wiltshire.

Well I did say a lot had happened since I last added to this page!!
I hope to add items each month from now on (health permitting) Regards Peter Walter Joslin

8th November
received form Dr Averil C. Snodgrass our hard working ''Josselin Society' Editor CAJOSC@aol.com
NEWS of two new books by The Earl of Roden

TOLLYMORE
Few Demesne Landscapes can rival the magical beauty of Tollymore with its incomparable setting in the Mourne Mountains.
For over two centuries, visitors have eulogised about its fine views and tree collections, its romantic rivers and waterfalls,
and marvelled at its distinctive buildings.
Drawing upon a wealth of previously unpublished letters, diaries, and estate documents,
the author traces the story of this unique demesne in a pioneering and lucidly written study.
He shows how Tollymore evolved, from an early 18th century deer park renowned for its venison,
to a flourishing estate and family home.
As often in Ireland, political strife, famine and a near-disastrous fire form part of the narrative.

The book particularly highlights the architecture and landscaping.
It examines how the demesne was developed along Enlightenment principles by Lord Limerick,
who introduced Thomas Wright, the remarkable "Wizard of Durham", to Ireland.
He tutored Limerick's son, Lord Clanbrassill, and designed for Tollymore some of the earliest neo-gothic buildings in Ireland.
Limerick also began planting the mountains and laid the foundations of the forestry park that has
supplied timber for many uses, including the oak for the grand interiors of the Titanic.
His son continued the task and established one of the earliest arboreta, which still includes the dwarf conifer named after him:
P. abies "Clanbrassiliana".
Lavishly illustrated with historic photographs, paintings, maps and specially commissioned drawings and photography,
the book is a vivid portrayal of an integral and intriguing aspect of Irish history and culture.
Published by the Ulster Architectural Heritage Society, Belfast. ISBN: 0 900457 64 3

Available from DOONREAGHAN PRESS, CASHEL, Co. GALWAY, IRELAND.
Tel: 00 353 95 31049 Fax: 00 353 95 31179 e-mail: roden@ireland.com
Price:,£20 or €29.50 Postage: €2.50 (£1.50) Ireland and €5.00 (£3) England/Europe

LORD LIMERICK'S DIARIES
leave a first-hand account of France, Spain, Portugal and the Low Countries in the early 18th century.
This was not only the beginning of the golden era of the Grand Tour,
but the age of Enlightenment that heralded important advances in philosophy, science and the arts.
In France, Lord Limerick travelled down the Loire valley. Six years later he was back on the Continent,
visiting what is now Belgium before making the arduous journey through France, across the Pyrenees and on to Madrid.
From there he went to Lisbon before returning to Spain.

His experiences on the Continent influenced his outlook on many subjects including his architectural and landscape
designs and art collection. On his return to Ireland he set about improving his properties and began the work on
Tollymore Park in County Down as it is seen today.

Price £8.50 or E 12.50 P&P included from, DOONREAGHAN PRESS, CASHEL, CO. GALWAY.
Telephone: 00353 95 31049 Fax: 00353 95 31179 e-mail roden@ireland.com
ISBN 0-9539033-1-1

I was not aware that Lord Roden's Wife; The Countess of Roden was also an author of note,
The Countess writes under the name of Ann Henning Jocelyn.
Interesting details of her life and work can be found on the website www.annhenningjocelyn.com

Peter,
Was just having a look around the internet and saw your site.
It looks like you have done a lot of good work.
My name is actually Paul Shilson-Josling, but I go by Paul Josling more often than not.
I live in Griffith, NSW, Australia. Unfortunately I have not yet gotten into the Family Tree thing as yet,
but plan to do so when my Children get a bit older.
I think one of my cousins has done a small amount of research (Tim), but I am yet to see where he is up to.
We are not really sure how we got to be Shilson-Joslings.
There are a couple of unconfirmed stories about the name, but no concrete proof as to how it happened.
We may actually be more Shilsons than Joslings.
The whole thing got messed up around my Great Grandfathers era.
My Grandfather was listed Edward John Shilson on his birth certificate,
however he always thought his surname was Shilson-Josling ( and Christened his children as such ).
He left England around the early 1900’s to work in Australia.
Anyway, just thought I’d say hello.
Keep up the good work.
Regards
Paul Josling Australia 12.Dec.2005

Hello Paul, thank you for your interesting letter.
You are the second new Paul Josling that I have corresponded with in the last 24 hours.
I am VERY interested in your SHILSON connection, and can add the foundation data to this family.
In my database of over 26,000 Joslin’s number 21095 is Frederick
Charles JOSLING born in Pancras, London 9th September 1872, he
Married Ellen Sophia SHILSON at St Saviours, London in 1891 and they
had seven children;
Frederick G 1891, Ellen S 1893, Edward C 1895, Violet N 1898, Lillian
D 1900, Leslie C 1908 & Leonard E 1911.

I would be interested to know if this data fits into your SHILSON
family, if it is relevant the data I have goes back to JOSLIN, JOSLING
& JOCELYN in the Isle of Wight pre 1800.

Frederick Charles was a Hammer man in an Electrical Engineering works
and his father was a Zinc worker, Both Frederick & Ellen died in
England 1949 & 1957.
I would be interested in the occupation and birth place of Edward John
SHILSON and his Mother & Father off the birth certificate, it should
also show his fathers occupation. Regards Peter
Peter Walter Joslin.
'Joslin Research' 2005
Morecambe Bay, England.
www.peterjoslin.co.uk

Peter,
Paul Josling forwarded your email (see below).
It appears that the details you provided may be the key to solving our mystery at last.
Do you have any information on the descendants of (21095) Frederick Charles JOSLING born in Pancras,
London 9th September 1872 who married Ellen Sophia SHILSON at St Saviours, London in 1891
and who had seven children - Frederick G 1891, Ellen S 1893, Edward C 1895, Violet N 1898,
Lillian D 1900, Leslie C 1908 & Leonard E 1911?
Tim Josling

Tim Josling wrote:
To Paul, Garry,
On further reflection, the information from Peter JOSLIN is consistent with the theory, as follows:
If the Ellen Sophia SHILSON he mentioned was Edward Walter SHILSON's
sister (ie Pa's aunt / father's sister) then EWS's brother in law was Frederick Charles JOSLING.
This would fit - the ages would be right as well. ESS would be EWS's older sister (based on her date of marriage,
when EWS was 16), so presumably would have looked after her little brother when he moved down from the country.
If we can get in touch with this line of Joslings they may be able to
shed some light on what happened.
Tim Josling
*Sent:* Wednesday, 14 December 2005 7:55 PM
*To:* 'Paul Josling'
*Cc:* Ben Joscelyne
*Subject:* RE: Hello from Australia

Dear Mr. Joslin
I came upon your beautiful website about the Joslin family while trying to assist a friend of
mine in Canada research the following JOSLIN:
James Robert Joslin, born September 19, 1895 in Bedminster, Bristol, UK.
The only information we have about him was that he was in the Royal Navy and the transferred to the
Royal Canadian Navy where he served until March 12, 1946.
It is thought that he may have lived in New Brunswick at the time of his death.
I, we, would appreciate any information that you may be able to add to the brief biography above.
You may email me directly or contact my friend Bryan, at: rncvr@sympatico.ca
Many thanks for any help.
Cordially, Martin Wagner 04.Jan. 2006

Hi,
First of all I must congratulate you on an excellent, well researched web site.
My name is Gary Whiten and I have recently commenced researching my family tree.
I have been very fortunate and managed to trace my father’s side back to the early 1600’s,
but I seem to having problems with my mother’s side.
My mother is a Thorogood, and for a variety of reasons she is unaware of a lot of the family history.
To date I have managed to trace as far back as William Thorogood bn 1859 @ White Notley and his wife Jane Joslin bn 1849 @ Cressing.
I was hoping that you may have information to confirm the date of their marriage,
details of Janes family etc and possibly further information on the William Thorogood line etc.
The following is a brief summary of the information about them that I have gleaned so far.

William THOROGOOD bn 1859 @ White Notley, Essex – Married – Jane JOSLIN bn 1849 @ Cressing,
In the 1881 census they resided at Witham Road, White Notley together with
Albert Edward JOSLIN bn 1870 @ Braintree (son)
Alice Maud THOROGOOD bn 1878 @ White Notley (daughter)
Ernest William THOROGOOD bn 1880 @ White Notley (son)
In the 1901 census they resided at Webbs Farm, Fairstead Rd, White Notley together with
Ernest THOROGOOD (20) son
Frederick THOROGOOD (18) son
Walter THOROGOOD (14) son
James THOROGOOD (12) son

I believe that William and Jane married in the last quarter of 1877 in the district of Braintree.
If I am correct, Frederick Thorogood was Frederick George THOROGOOD bn C.1882,
who subsequently became a policeman and married? Alice Jane BARTLETT bn 1876
(Frederick and Alice were my great grandparents).
I would be very grateful for any information relevant to the above people,
their ancestors or decendants, or indeed any guidance that you may be able to give me.
I thank you in advance,
Regards
Gary Whiten 08.Jan.2006

Prezados Peter e Margareth
Uma vez mais, estou visitando o site.
Tudo bem com vocês? Espero que sim. Há alguns dias recebi o boletim da Josselin Society.
Quando puder, mande notícias.
Abraços da
Adélia Maria (BRAZIL 08.Jan.2006)

Hi Peter, Happy New Year and all that.
Just want to thank you for the Joslin Society name badges that you made us all.
They are very nice indeed and it was great of you to take the time to do that.
Hope you had a good holiday time.
Thanks, Peter. All good wishes for 2006 to you both.
I certainly hope to see you again some day. Take care,
Best wishes, Janet...CANADA Jan 2006

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Dear Peter, Several years ago you found me a father for Charles JOSLING b: 1828 Stratford (Suffolk or Essex?)
fireman/sailmaker who married my ggrandmother Emma PAYNE in Chigwell in 1856.
You also ascertained that Charles’ father was Robert JOSLING b: 1802 Chelmsford,
who married 2 Jun 1828 in Newington, Surrey, Eliza SCOTT b: 1804 Stratford, Suffolk.
Robert & Eliza lived in Hockley for many years with some of their 12 children.
According to the 1861 & 1871 Censuses Robert was a farmer in the seed/feed? business.
In the 1871 Census of Hill Farm, Eastwood, Robert 1802, was visiting,
his niece (brother? George’s daughter) Susanna ISHERWOOD 1843, farmer, & her son Percy,
with Susanna’s sister Mary JOSLIN 1854. George JOSLING,
who may have been Robert’s brother, c: 11 Sep 1803 in Little Waltham,
farmed at Boarded Barns Farm in Broomfield in 1851 and 1861. He had at least 10 children.
Other than George, I can find no probable siblings or parents for Robert and nothing in the ‘41 or ‘51 Censuses.
Can you help to put me back on track?
Hope your eyes are now well mended. I find the new computer screens really help.
Cheers, Christine Firth, Now living on Bowen Island B.C. 21.Jan.2006

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Hello,
I recently came across your web site, truly informative.
I am one of the North American Joslin’s. We too, have had members of our side of the family trace our lineage.
I find it interesting that no matter what part of the world that we hail from,
the Joslin clan is always a very proud family, and seems to be strict on knowing where we came from.
I had the opportunity growing up to live in England on RAF Lakenheath,
and truly loved the country. While there, we visited Sawbridgeworth,

and saw the old church, with the family crest over the alter. Truly a wonderful site.
Since I noticed your site, I thought that I would introduce myself. I have attached a picture,
I know for me things are easier to put a name with the face. The photo is of me while I was serving in Iraq.
If you cannot tell from the photo, I am a combat medic in the United States Army.
I hope to hear from you in the future.
David A. Joslin 24.Jan.2006
"Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it." Thoreau

1837online.com February 2006 Newsletter
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Hullo Peter,
I am in Australia, and am interested in the Mary STAINS as on your web site.
"Mary Stains married Thos Josling at St Mary Whitechapel 1810
I am descended from a John & Jane (UNKNOWN but maybe NICHOLAS) STAINS / STAINES of Marylebone.
Their son, Richard STAINS, was the operator of The Stingo Brewerin in New Rd London,
later named St Marylebone Road, Marylebone.
I located a marriage in FamilySearch for a John & Jane who married at St James, Paddington, London. in 1798.
As far as I am aware their eldest child was John STAINS born 15th December 1798m
and he was Cr 16th January 1790, St Mary-St Marylebone Rd, Saint Marylebone, London.
Their second child was my Great Great Grandfather, Richard STAINS b abt 1803, Marylebone.
Cr 20th January 1811. St Mary-St Maryleone Rd, Saint Marylebone, London. He was a Brewer.
Their was another male child, Edward Matthew STAINS b 12 January 1809,
Cr 20th January 1811.St Mary-St Marylebone Rd, Saint Marylebone, London.
I wonder if you would know if Mary above was related to this family - perhaps John snr's sister?
Best wishes,
Win 25th. Feb. 2006.

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Good evening Peter,
I am just starting to trace my father's family tree and have stumbled upon your website.
I would just like to ask if you have any information on my family name of Josling
my father was born in Woolwich in 1939 and his name was
Bernard Peter Josling
his mother was Adelaide May Josling and his father Fredrick Josling.
I know this is very little information but my father has passed away and I am trying to find a starting point.
Any information would be gratefully received.
Regard
Lynne Taylor nee Josling March. 2006.

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Origins Network News:
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